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Questions for Aartefact 2 - Going back to do artefact 2 today 24/04/2013

Artefact 2 - College Students Questions

Research topic:  Is Digital Art Taking Over Traditional Art: Are They Competing Arts?

1)    What course are you studying ?

2)    Do you use Traditional Media (e.g. painting, drawing etc)?

Yes

No

If yes, what do you use and produce?

3)    Do you use Digital Media (e.g. Photoshop, Indesign etc)?

Yes

No

If yes, what do you use and produce?

4)    Which do you prefer and why ?

5)    What do you like about using Traditional Media?

6)    What do you like about using Digital Media?

7)    Have you ever combined both Traditional Media and Digital Media to create  a piece of art work?

8)    Have you ever used an Ipad/Tablet/Mobile Device to create art? (e.g. drawing apps)

9)    If yes to the previous question which one was it that you used, what did you create and do you prefer this to traditional media ?  

Corliss Blakely Interview Answers

what is your opinion of traditional art?

I don”t know quite how to answer this question.

Traditional art is different for everyone.

Art is life! We create it . We are surrounded by it.

what is your opinion of digital art?

I think its the new canvas for artist!

What led you to use an ipad to create art?

I had seen a few artist paint on the iPhone so I just bought an app and fell in love

painting on it.

Do you think you require traditional art skills in order to create digital art?

No. I go to Nicaragua and show children the iPad for the first time and they start to

create paintings on it immediately.

does your painting/ traditional art skills enhance the work that you do on the iPhone

and the ipad?

As a professional artist, I have the advantage of years of painting and techniques . I

paint on the iPad just like its an oil. The only difference is I don't have to wait days for

the layers to dry.

Do you find the iPhone or the ipad easier to use ?, do you have a preference to which

do you use?

When I first started I used the iPhone ,however, now I only paint on the iPad. The iPad

painting apps are much more powerful than the iPhone apps. Also I prefer the larger

canvas.

Can the same effects be be created on an ipad, as with a paintbrush?

That all depends what app you are using. It is hard to get the effect of an oil painting

with the textures of the brushstrokes. Many of my iPad paintings look like my oils and

watercolors. When I’m painting in oils, I have very smooth surface and show no brush

strokes... So I can get the same effect on the iPad.

Do you prefer traditional painting or ipad art / iPhone art?

I prefer working in oils ,but I love painting on the iPad. As a professional oil painter, I

was confined to my studio for years. Now, with the iPad it has opened up a whole new

canvas for artists. It has enabled me to leave the studio and paint anywhere and

anytime without the burden of carrying around paints, canvases, brushes, and toxic

mediums that I have used for years.

in your opinion is digital art equally as viable as traditional art?

No,but I think it will have a place in History.

do you think technology is enabling better ways of creating art?

Yes, I think it will allow more people to be able to get into art. All you need is an iPhone

or an iPad.

do you think digital art in education is important?

yes, I think that more should be done in the schools.

would you say a novice would require teaching in order to successfully use ipad/

iphone drawing apps ?

Maybe a little to get use to the app.... but I find that everyone feels free painting on the

iPad or iPhone.

John Burgerman extra infro I went looking for.

I asked a few additional questions to Jon however still waiting on another response back so I have done a little more digging for information at some of the answers i didnt quite get.

So I went looking for questions that people had asked him before and came across these:

Do you use a graphic tablet to create your digital work?

I hand draw pretty much everything and scan the work in. Sometimes I’ll use something like Live Trace in Illustrator to turn my black and white drawings into vector shapes.
I very very rarely trace around the drawing with a path. I’ve recently (late 2009) started using a Wacom Cintiq and am exploring what I can do with it - it’s a lot of fun and an amazing piece of hardware.

How did you get started?

I studied Fine Art fine art at nottingham trent university.

A lot of your work mixes both analogue and digital techniques. Why do you choose to work this way?

Both techniques offer excellent and different qualities - why not cherry pick the best things each medium has to offer? Digital can save a lot of time and allow for easy amendments, scaling of work, adaption to digital media etc. Analogue is warmer, more human, allows for a easier emotive expression.

What would your advice be for students currently studying within creative courses like for example?

Research your field and get a clear idea of what you want to do and the best way to implement it. You might need to visit shops / galleries / venues etc. You might need to email / phone / meet people etc. You might need to google / read / watch stuff about it. Don’t just sit there and then hope to ‘enter the commercial world’ with no preparation. And don’t forget to learn as you go on, in many ways when you start engaging with things outside of Uni your real learning has just begun…!

What type of markers, paints, pens, etc. you use when colouring your work?

I use whatever I can get hold of that hasn’t already run out. Pen wise I like a nice old honest, chewed at the end biro or a sleek Pentel Hybrid Gel Grip. I use a wide variety of felt pens, from Berols to Sign pens to chunky markers, like Sharpies.

When painting I use a mix of household emulsion and cheap acrylics. Some of the cardboard pieces and wall paintings I’ve done also utilise Posca pens, which are from Japan. Sometimes they’re a little difficult to get hold of but are worth tracking down as they give a nice flat colour on most surfaces and are very quick and easy to use.

Jon Burgerman Interview Answers

Hi Rachelle

What is your opinion of traditional art?

what does traditional mean? 50 years old ?100 years old? 1000 years old?

what is your opinion of digital art?

My opinion of any art is based on the art, not necessarily the medium it's been created with.

What lead you to use digital to create art?

Speed, connivence, commercial pressures, cost

do you think you require traditional art skills in order to create digital art?

Yes, a brain, an idea, some type of craft and skill.

do you prefer traditional art or digital art?

I have no preference

in your opinion is digital art equally as viable traditional art?

yes

do you think technology is enabling better ways of creating art?

No, it's just enabling more ways.

do you think digital art in education is important?

I really don't know.

would you say a novice would require teaching to in order to successfully use digital art and programs?

I'd say you might need to learn how to use Photoshop before understanding how to properly use it.

The same goes for painting.

Have you ever used an Ipad for your digital art?

Nope.

good luck with your dissertation!

Jon

Apple iPad art: Corliss Blakely

Apple iPad art: paintings created using Brushes, ArtStudio and Sketchbook Pro apps

These works of art could easily be mistaken for oil paintings or watercolours - but they've actually been created on an iPad. The pictures were created using fingers and apps such as Brushes, ArtStudio and Sketchbook Pro. The device is attracting established artists, who are abandoning canvases in favour of the 9.7-inch iPad screen. And some iPad prints are being sold for hundreds of pounds. Corliss Blakely, 59, was one of the first professional artists to put an iPad painting on the internet. An artist for much of her life, she had worked with traditional oil paints before switching to the less traditional medium. Now prints of her work can be bought for up to £220



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/picture-galleries/7926157/Apple-iPad-art-paintings-created-using-Brushes-ArtStudio-and-Sketchbook-Pro-apps.html?image=1

Research for artefact 1 - Corliss Blakely

Interview with Corliss Blakely

 Interview by Donny Yankellow

I recently reviewed ArtStudio for MyMac. ArtSTudio is a fantastic painting program for your iPhone and iPod Touch. While reviewing the app I discovered Corliss Blakely – a wonderful painter who paints on the iPhone with ArtStudio (among other apps). Many of her pieces can be found at http://www.artistinvermont.com. I contacted her and she agreed to answer a few questions about painting on the iPhone. Her are the questions followed by her answers as she typed them and some of her iPhone paintings thrown into the mix to brighten up the text. By the way, she’s a Mac user too!

MyMac: How long have you been and artist? and is this your full time job?
Corliss: I’ve been an artist all my life. It’s the only thing I ever wanted to do. I’m a professional full-time artist.
MyMac: Did you go to school for art?
Corliss: I attended Vesper George art school and the Museum School in Boston. After a few years I left and returned to Vermont.
MyMac: What kind of computer do you use for painting? or are you a Mac person?
Corliss: I have a Macbook Pro, but I only paint on the iPhone.
MyMac: Do you prefer traditional or digital art?
Corliss: Up until last year I would have said tradition art. I’ve spent my life painting in watercolor and oil. But now I would say I prefer to paint on the iPhone.

MyMac: When did you make the transition from traditional media to digital/iphone?
Corliss: About a year ago I was waiting for a 40" x 60" panel to arrive for a commission that I was doing in oil. I was at my studio and I had some free time, so I decided to try it out. I bought the Brushes app and started painting, and I haven’t stopped.
MyMac: What is your software of choice for digital painting off the iphone and on the iphone?
Corliss: I only do digital painting on the iPhone. I just bought ArtStudio three weeks ago, and I think it is the best painting app available. Before that I painted with Brushes, Inspire, and Layers. ArtStudio has everything that I need to paint with, and I love the way I can look at all my layers next to the painting. When I’m painting I use the same techniques that I use in oils. ArtStudio has given me the freedom of designing every brush I work with. The flexibly of moving the layers around, hiding them, and changing their transparency. These things are essential to the way I paint. It’s really hard to go back and paint with oils after the experience of painting with ArtStudio.
MyMac: What are the challenges of painting on the iphone?
Corliss: I don’t find painting on the iPhone challenging. I really forget that I’m painting on one once I start. I have to build an easel for the iPhone because I need to stand back and observe the painting during the process.

MyMac: About how long does it take for an iphone painting?
Corliss: I have done paintings in five minutes or five hours. I spend a couple of hours on most of my paintings. One of the hardest thing for an artist is to know when to stop.
MyMac: There are so many apps out there for the iPhone for painting with so many features. I saw on your website that you have, like me, tried many of them. If you could design an app for artists/painters what are your top 5 must have features in an app (besides the basics)?
Corliss: Layers, dry brush or blender, a palette that save your favorite colors, a large selection of brushes and an eraser. That’s why ArtStudio is my favorite painting app. It has everything I could possibly want to create a painting.
MyMac: I see you use the Pogo Sketch for drawing on the iphone…do you find that lets you get more detailed?
Corliss: Yes, I always paint with a Pogo Sketch. I lost my first one three days after I bought it. Now I have 3 three. One stays at the studio and the other 2 two are always with me. It is just like painting with a fine sable brush. Not only can I get more detail, but when you use your finger it covers up the painting with the pogo sketch the painting is more visible.

MyMac: Do you plan on getting an iPad for painting?
Corliss: Yes. I have to wait for iPad 3G to come out, because I live on an island in the summer with no wifi or electricity. I’m really excited about the size of the iPad, and I believe it is the new canvas for artists. I’m ready. I have already bought iPadpaintings.com.



http://www.mymac.com/2010/03/interview-with-corliss-blakely/


Hopefully  since this interview was done 2 years ago on my birthday by chance, that there will be maybe some different answers. Also I have not asked all the same questions as this interview.  She is currently at Macworld a convention in San Francisco. She is going to email me in a couple of days. 

Ashley Siobhan Dodd - Illustration Student for email

My name is Ashley Siobhan Dodd, I'm an Illustration student at Hertfordshire University.

I love all things creative! Illustration obviously, digital art and animation, photography and fashion, especially vintage.

I have emailed my questions as she is an amazing artist and that I would like get another perspective from a student artist.

Hopefully she will email back :-)

Corliss Blakely - Other Ipad

Corliss now paints on the iPhone and iPad her new canvas.

Established artist and seventh generation Vermonter, Corliss Blakely paints still life and Vermont landscape in a classically realist style. She received her formal art training in Boston while she studied at the Vesper George Art School and classes at The museum School Of Fine Art.

Corliss is an internationally recognized artist for her work in several media, including watercolor, oil, and egg tempera. Her paintings hang in collections worldwide.

She is now painting on the iPhone and iPad, which has “opened up a new world for artists,” she says. “The world is changing and artists now have a new canvas to create on.” Corliss has translated her meticulous sharp focus technique in oils to these new technologies.

Corliss is one of many professional painters who are embracing a technology that lets them create any where without the space requirements, supply expenses, and prep time of traditional media.

Corliss offers workshops with ArtStudio, her favorite painting app to other artists so they can create with this exciting new medium.

 

Art Project in Nicaragua - School children abroad

This project started when my husband and I were traveling in Central America eight years ago. We went to Ometepe Island in Nicaragua and in the small town of Balgue met four young children while waiting for a bus. At that time I could not speak Spanish so I started drawing pictures for them. They were so thrilled and charming and obviously starved for art enrichment, I told them we would be back.

    Since then we have returned every March and have started an art program in the public schools of Balgue. The program serves approximately 450 pupils. We hand carried over $3000.00 in donated art supplies and books to the school system. We also took three computers and a printer that were donated.

During the day I teach at the elementary school. After school and on Saturdays I also have classes, and spend most of the time instructing any children that want to improve their art skills. Classes are aimed at developing drawing and painting skills using donated materials and depicting the artistically rich local environment.

    My husband concentrates on the local sports teams and donates baseballs and baseball equipment to any interested person from the island.

The community of Balgue and the people of Ometepe have responded by opening up their homes and hearts to us.

    This March  I’m going to show them how to paint on the iPad .

    Since then we have returned every March and have started an art program in the public schools of Balgue. 

   

 

Jared K. Nickerson

Jthree Concepts is Seattle-based artist Jared K. Nickerson. Jared is a professional digital illustrator originally from Halifax, Nova Scotia. With various moves westward across North America he is now based in Seattle, WA. Jared is co-founder of renowned vector community, Blood Sweat Vector, (BSV for short). His main focus is branding, character, logo, videogame, editorial, and textile design. He also specializes in art direction and consulting. His client list includes Nike, Adidas, Coca-Cola, Maxim Magazine, Virgin, and Microsoft, to name a few.

 

What is your opinion of traditional art?
what is your opinion of digital art?
What lead you to use digital to create art?
do you think you require traditional art skills in order to create digital art?
do you prefer traditional art or digital art?
in your opinion is digital art equally as viable traditional art?
do you think technology is enabeling better ways of creating art?
do you think digital art in education is important?
would you say a novice would require teaching to in order to successfully use digital art and programs?
Have you ever used an Ipad for your digital art?

If so the following questions are applicable:
Would you say a novice would require teaching in order to sucessfully use Ipad drawing apps?
what sort of pieces of art do you create on the ipad?
can the same effects be created with an ipad as with a paintbrush and a mouse on a computer when usign i.e photoshop. Is there benefits/ limitations?
if you do use traditional art do you think it enhances the work toy create on the ipad?      



Awaiting repsonse.

Interview with Mik Godley

Interview with Mik Godley.

23/01/2013 01:50PM

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Rachelle Brown

Mik Godley

What is your opinion of traditional art?

Traditional art, what do you mean by traditional art?

Sort of like I know you was a painter before,

I still am as you can see,

Like traditional painting and pencil drawing,

Oh so traditional media,

Yeah

Erm well I think it’s very much got its place its obviously moved on technically or in fact technologically in terms of what you can do with it these days and I think a lot of artists are using traditional media in perhaps quite new ways that wouldn’t have occurred to people even 50 years ago, erm its certainly now there are lots more possibilities especially with acrylics erm I mean if you look at new work that’s been happening with street art and graffiti art

Yeah its definitely taking off

Its erm Well one of the interesting things is erm what you might think of ,traditional painters isn’t quite the right word, but contempary painters erm are have kinda been looking at graffiti artists work and using some of the kind of techniques and advances that they have trail blazed and erm indeed over the last few months one of the big paint manufacturers have released a range of artist very fine quality paints in a can which means that you can essentially use sprays to very high quality erm alongside normal paint so I think erm  it’s an interesting position that so called traditional arts or certainly contempory painting has got is that it’s very much now being informed by technological advances and also I think the way of looking at it has erm moved on tremendously cos of cause we are influenced by the digital age.

Yeah definitely

So erm so as far as my own work is concerned obviously using ipad art that has changed the way I think about and look at traditional painting so is that enough?

Erm well that brings me onto what is your opinion of digital art?

Yeah well erm well I erm I well an opinion is a difficult thing to have its moving on all the time erm and erm I think one of the issues I’ve had over the past few  years is keeping pace with the new developments and erm especially with the way that the ipad has driven app developers to change their apps all the time and give them new possibilities basically every couple of days my drawing apps need updating and there’s new possibilities that I have to try and figure out how to work with erm which is fascinating and erm one of the things even last night for instance which I first downloaded probably 2 years ago and haven’t really looked at erm but remembered it had been updated several times and thought oh I’ll just have a quick look at it erm and erm happily spent a couple of hours trying to figure out what the changes were and erm and basically  the reason I hadn’t used it before was because it was very limiting whereas now it’s been developed so much with all the updates that I realized last night it could be a very good one to use whereas a year or so ago it wasn’t a good one at all so erm so that’s fascinating aswel  but it is a hard job trying to keep pace with it erm  I mean especially as I have I don’t know how many different drawing apps but is probably  20

Yeah, I just brought an ipad and I was overwhelmed by how many there literally is

Very much so I mean there are ones that I use most of the time and erm because there erm, some of them I find to kind off complex erm and erm and basically that’s usually because they have been built with graphic designers  in one way or another who have already got a lot of experience of using that kind of digital work on a computer so they are just basically transferring that onto a touch screen which is fine but actually I find that the functions on it are not that useful for a painter so erm so ive kinda looked at them but then kinda thought there not much use so im not saying I would never use them its just that  I think painters need different kinds of functions to designers

So what led you to start using the ipad?

I think the thing is  it happened by accident as most good things do and erm I started using an ipod touch  and the reason for that is id got some money to buy a computer and basically id ordered over the phone and the guy said do you want and ipad touch with that for £30 and I I thought , well I didn’t really know what one was to be honest but thought ok yeah it will be useful for commuting on the train  erm and but to be honest it stayed in its box for a year cos I thought I had no use for it until a mate of mine at work had got himself and iphone and he had seen the stuff David hockney was using on his iphone erm so he showed me his version of it and it was this app called  brushes which has been my ‘mate’ since. As soon as he showed me it could be used visually erm I just got hooked completely cos I thought it was great fun erm and so as I say it was very accidental but at the time also erm I hadn’t got a studio so it was a good way of working and making stuff just on the kitchen table without having to get all the paints and stuff out,

Without making a mess

Well yeah  so erm and I soon found that even on the ipod touch some over the vector apps I mean I use adobe ideas a lot and paintbook but erm once you got your head round the idea of it  because you can produce enormous great big prints from these things erm because there vectors not pixels so I started playing around with those more and erm  and then a funny thing happened as I was beginning all this, well two things happened  I supposes first of all I happened to be in this sandwich queue at work and erm  and went to get my sandwich and was playing on the ipod and my boss was behind me and I said oh have you seen this you can do all sorts of stuff with this and erm and then a little while later I was offered a solo exhibition at erm the Edinburgh art fair so this is like 2 years ago now no 2 n half years ago so erm I did the exhibition and erm the boss was quite keen on new technologies and hes invested a lot of money as far as computer suites and god knows what else are concerned erm so basically he brought me an ipad erm and erm and so it sought of developed from there really and the reason, although he didn’t say this at the time one of the reasons he brought it me so that I could train myself and then teach everybody how to use it so it was cheap training, staff training,  you know how it is

It was a good trick wish I had a boss like that

So do you think you require traditional art skills in order to create digital art?

Erm yes and no it depends on what you want to do with it I think erm I think you can do a lot with I mean you need very good visual skills I think I mean if you want to do the kind of stuff I do then erm that, that uses very traditional drawing and painting skills and erm but it doesn’t really matter, I don’t think it matters whether you use physical paint or virtual paint  its kind off the base skills are the same but as I said visual skills are the core to all of it so erm  its about I suppose it’s about how to look and make decisions about things in terms of sort of saying that’s good and that’s not go so it’s sort of and editing job  I suppose isn’t it really so yeah the answers yes and no

This one is sort of similar now but does your painting skills enhance the work that you do on the ipad?

Erm  I think it’s almost the other way round in that I think that work on the ipad its enhanced sort of my drawing and painting skills because it means that I can practice more it means at times and situations  where as I’ve said I don’t have a studio or I’m not here so it’s different in that respect  I think erm ask me the question again please

Do your painting skills enhance the work that you do on the ipad?

Ahh yeah that’s what I was saying I think that the other issue is that probably because I do bring like a lot of work in physically you know then that has sort of directed very much the work I do with ipad I’m still very aware that at the moment, I’m not saying this will always be the case but at the moment the work that I do on the ipad kinda looks like normal drawing and painting because that’s where I’ve come from

Yeah it looks so realistic

But I think that well I know that is gradually evolving and changing so the two are in a relationship with each other and I think that good but I’m also aware that in some respects in terms of making art if you like I’m still kind of comfortable with things looking like normal paintings or drawings but I don’t think that will be forever because its already changing do you know what I mean

Yeah, defiantly some of it is getting more abstract

Yeah you know the kind of qualities with some of the stuff that I’ve done and experiments I’ve done erm on the ipad that aren’t really feasible to do in normal painting erm are affecting the way it’s working erm but then again it’s also effecting my ordinary paintings its in this sort of relationship its not a kind of erm simple one than the other it’s a discussion between the two

Do you prefer traditional painting or ipad art?

Erm I’ve got no preference but I enjoy each for different reasons I mean one of the things I do enjoy about sort of physically making drawings and paintings is I suppose the physical activity like chucking a brush around  erm there’s that kind of that has its own kind of satisfactions if you like, its good fun erm which is why I’m splattered with yellow from this morning  erm so it’s that always been something ive enjoyed and it’s a bit like being at play school and just making mud pies,

You just sort of get in the zone don’t you

Yeah absolutely but no although its nothing like as physical your just using your finger erm then erm yeah I still, well I get something different but like an equivalent if you know what I mean

Can the same effects be created on an ipad as with a paint brush?

No, erm very similar and obviously a lot of the apps try to some more than others try to replicate erm the way that erm that you know traditional media and different brushes and goodness knows what else erm they try replicate what they do erm with some success but there not absolute there kind of erm they can do a certain amount but in the end you know it working with an ipad because its digital is kind of virtual erm whereas  there is something very evidently physical you know it’s about the substance of the stuff that working on a nice big canvas has,  it’s a different thing you know,

I did see, I can’t remember if on one of you links you sent about a new type of brush that had been brought out and I thought that was quite like interesting because I’ve only had my ipad a couple of weeks but I’ve been kind of playing about with pens and still feels abit odd to me, I’m normally like traditional artist stuck in a sketchbook so its defiantly bridging the gap because I think I’ve not really ever done like,

Well there’s a guy that erm that’s been putting a lot of YouTube videos out called David caselle, I don’t know if you’ve heard of him and he’s been using these brush things quite a lot I’ve tried a stylus thing once and I didn’t like it because it seemed to have a time lag it didn’t respond as immediately as working with your finger,  I’m sure these things will improve and maybe this new brush thing will but I’m not trying it as I was really sort of put off with that stylus thing I just think well I don’t need it so I don’t really see the point, so erm but you know the other sort of apps, have you looked at art rage at all?

I have downloaded it but I’ve not used it yet,

Well that’s another one that’s sort of come from you know pcs and Macs and erm been adapted as an app but that is specifically, basically it has like oil paints and palette knives and goodness knows what else. It tries to make it look more like that with some success but it erm I don’t know, I’ve not really experimented with it that much I don’t know it just doesn’t seem to  float my boat, I mean the other thing is that I’m kind of torn between spending time getting to know all these different apps  which does take a lot of time erm and actually making work and very often the work that I do certainly the more sort of substantial work erm you know it can take a long time to produce and erm an you know one of the things, and that’s been another issue is that some of the apps wont cope with that they don’t have enough memory which is one of the reasons why I’ve eased of vector apps because they crash and erm I notice that after working on something for about three days so it’s probably had about 18-20 hours work and that’s it the vector apps will just implode and you’ve got to download them again  and you’ve lost everything so erm I kinda stopped using them so much, I will use them of sort of specific things but I know I’m limited on how much I can use them, whereas on that brushes thing for instance it just keeps going forever I mean you can work for days and days and it never seems to pack in its great so yeah, ive probably gone completely off the point there.

In your opinion is digital art equally as viable as traditional art?

Equally?

Viable.

Viable? Erm it depends what you mean by viable,

If you say were to buy some art would you say it has the same value if somebody had painted it or if it was digital

Well now that’s a different thing, I think there is still a bit of reluctance, well maybe reluctance isn’t the right word basically people who buy art tend to be quite, in certain circumstances seem to be quite conservative they want to know what they have got is not the same as what everybody else has got they want to know it’s going to last and the technology for digital work erm isn’t proven long enough its only just been quite recent for intake acrylic paints is beginning to be accepted erm  you know erm its still you know lagging behind the traditional oil on canvas erm I think compared to oil on canvas which we know lasts for centuries  digital media well the upstarts too new and people will trust them to a certain extent but they aren’t going to fork out a huge amount  I mean they’ll spend a few quid on a print but erm that will be it so I do  mean just few quid which in that respect its tricky because stuff is still quite expensive to print so the viability financially is less really so there’s pluses and minuses because one of the advantages of digital is that you don’t have a storage problem with unsold, lots and lots of canvass that haven’t been sold yet so you don’t have to fork out on storage you just need a hard drive I suppose basically  erm so erm so its swings and roundabouts with that, I think digital work is improving in its viability  and printing costs are coming down, and when im talking about printing I’m not talking about cheap quality  it’s the guaranteed good quality prints that the industry reckons will last 70-100 years or whatever,  erm but of course public opinion takes a while to catch up to it so they are not willing to invest more than a few quid on something they just thing is to be massively reproduced so it’s not like a one off, and you know if you can produce 1000s then it reduces the amount of money that they are going to fork out on it there’s a number of issues that play and its changing all the time and I think the problem for a punter if you like is the knowledge that digital work is endlessly reproduced whereas most buyers art want something that is very limited edition or something that won’t be reproduced I don’t know something like an etching which can only be physically printed from a certain amount of time before the plate is no good so erm or else something that is original like one single painting.

It’s definitely opened my eyes because ive seen a lot of debates on the internet and seen people getting quite vicious with their sort of opinions of like whether ones better than the other.

I think obviously there’s a lot of enthusiasts for digital art erm you know on the making kind of side of it the people who are massively in love with making digital art you know like all kinds of geeky stuff they get into and they seem to think that everybody should be a convert erm and basically give them lots of money for their work but from a buyers perspective erm as an investment it’s more of an issue because erm its doesn’t have the same value as an original. Some major league artists are sort of playing with digital  aswel and photographers one of the interesting things is to do with scale Wolfgang  Tillmans I think his name is erm who erm had a gianormous digitally printed but wasn’t digital imagery originally but erm this print must have been 10foot  high by 20 foot wide and it was actually 2 erm prints stuck together and erm Wolfgang Tillmans he won the turner prize hes like basically married to one of the biggest art dealers in the country and sells his work for thousands upon thousands and I’m sure that simply because his name and sheer scale of them means you cant reproduce those prints so basically there’s likely to be only one of two ever to be produced so the value of those is likely to be secure I would think.

Do you think technology is enabling better ways of creating art?

Certainly different ways lots of different ways I think its erm its also allowing us to see things differently I think that’s the important thing, erm for me erm it opens uo a kind of different way of looking at the world because obviously the digital world is part of the normal physical world you know weve got our phones with us all the time erm so it had become erm sort of part of everyday life.

Erm not yet, I think it will do but I think at the moment what needs to happen is erm from my observations there are still very few what I would call contempary artists that are engaging with new technologies outside of film and video, film and video has been very well accepted but I think in terms of whatever relates to drawing and painting hasn’t yet erm and erm and I think theres still quite a lot of resistance against artists although they are using it in certain ways but artists are trying to figure out how to relate to and use new technologies in a way that they are comfortable with and its not quite there yet its erm Id be struggling to find what I would think of as a contempary artists that uses an ipad there are very very few that actually want to do that which I’ve been surprised by to be honest I find it odd that so few artists will do that erm there not trusting or something

Do you think it’s more about letting the progress through time or say people watching others do it and then think oh yeah this could be more?

Well there are different things happening you know you’ve got contempary painters like Fiona ray and Gordon chung  there using computers to design their work but then they are going and painting them traditionally sort of it is very much part of the process but it’s usually in the design process instead of a sketchbook sort of thing. So erm which is possibly where the ipad while find itself moving towards as far as contempary artists are concern you know perhaps more people will use it for that  rather than a sketchbook

As a teacher would digital art ever be something you would consider teaching?

Well I have been teaching students that was the main reason I think my boss gave me one, but even then a lot of the student preferred using normal media which has been a big surprise to me I kind off assumed that erm you know because there used to using iphones etc all the time that erm they would take to working on an ipad like ducks to water but no they still want to use paintbrushes and sticks of charcoal and normal stuff which is very odd, last year I spent a long time trying to teach illustration students who you would thought would be the natural users as a lot of ipad apps are basically built for illustration and graphic design  and erm out of 30 students there were probably only 4 or 5 that were at all interested

I’m quite shocked about that considering their illustration students, I would have thought it would be one of the things they liked using

No they want to use inks and pastels you know very old fashioned stuff which is very funny but that’s the case and I don’t know why  it’s just what I’ve found I think that will change I think its and evolving situation but at the moment you know it’s just what they prefer.

Do you think they believe it requires less skill?

 As part of the sort of teaching process what I have found useful I suppose is showing them examples of work that I’ve done and other artists have done  and its quite evident that you have to be quite skilled to achieve the results that these artists are getting erm so I think they are quite well aware it does take skill but erm these are foundation students that I’m talking about so erm there kind of right at the beginning of their artistic career I think its mostly the mud pie thing they just like playing with the materials you know, and they don’t get that same feeling from touch screen.

I know before I came to I came to uni I used my gap year to do an art course and I was in shock when they told me I had to do graphic design when for weeks and weeks it had all been sketchbook based and now we had to use photoshop and I remember thinking I don’t have a clue but now it just normal to used those programs

You know you have to sort of get used to these things, but you know a lot of web designers do start off with a sketchbook don’t they,

Yeah I think that’s what I miss most on my course as everything is computer based

Well this questions sort of been discussed now but would you say a novice would require teaching in order to successfully use ipad apps

No I don’t think so I think there’s, I mean all the time I have to look at youtube tutorials and there’s a lot of information out there for people and the main thing really is just spending time playing with it, to find out what’s possible and what you can do and what you can’t do so erm no I think anyone can pick it up just as much as anybody else, as I say you can get more technical and design orientated apps I’m sure it helps if you have already got a background in cad or whatever else it is you know a lot of photoshop experience, but I suppose one of the reasons why ive been teaching brushes not the new versions but the old version is because it’s like a very simplified version of Photoshop and so many students have got to learn how to use Photoshop anyway but erm it gives a very easy introduction to photoshop but erm but really no, and also the other thing is you know it does depend on the app some are incredibly complicated and I think really are for specialists and I think if a complete novice was to get hold of one of those apps they would be completely flummoxed erm however there are a lot that are very straight forward drawing and painting apps and there are even some that are done specifically for kids so theyare even simpler so it would take to much effort to get a bit of an idea, so if you were to get a kids app for instance most of them are free erm and start with that and perhaps within a couple of hours you could progress from that to a more sophisticated app, itws just like any sort of craft or skill base it takes time to learn how to do it that’s the same as learning to play a piano or sketch in your sketchbook it just takes time to get use to doing it there’s no kind of pill to speed it up you just have to put the time in, and if you can’t draw there are other ways of doing it it’s the visual skills that are most important. Have you ever seen van goghs drawings?

Yeah they are amazing.

Erm probably about 20 years go I went to some sort of centenary and I didn’t like van gogh me and my kids were on holiday with my parents in Holland and my parent insisted we went to this centenary exhibitions of his drawings erm and I sort of said alright then and I was amazed , I found the whole thing quite fascinating, what amazed me was the way it was laid out in chronological order so it began when he began drawing and went up to the end if his career and it was just his drawings not any of his paintings at all, and for the first 2-3 years you would, well I did look at his drawings and I just thought why did he bother he was hopeless absolutely hopeless but then after about 2 years it obviously clicked and something changed and I think it was down to perseverance I think it was just sticking at it and that’s what they said there was that book that came out a couple of years ago  that said it takes 10,000 hours to become and expert at any subject you choose to do with your life, for most people this equates to about 10 years work, but in this book it gave the example of The Beatles and they went to Germany tfor 2 years and basically because they were away from home and just working didn’t have a lot of pay they were unknown, they were basically paid to go to Germany and play however many sets in thins bar and erm and basically they did there 10000 hours in Germany nonstop over a period of 2 years that then meant that they really did become experts at what they did and that’s what launched them and they were incredibly good, but you need that and it doesn’t matter where you start like van gogh completely hopeless to begin with but after he but the time in it began to take off for him and he did incredibly well, but you wouldn’t have thought so if you had seen his original drawings. You just have to become completely obsessed with doing the subject whatever it might be it could be like brain surgery or whatever you’ve just got to do it and erm especially for a skill , any skill golf, football whatever as long as you do stick at it  chance are you’ll have it, so even novices can do it.